Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/21/1998 01:07 PM House HES

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CSSB 36(FIN)am - PUBLIC SCHOOL FUNDING                                         
                                                                               
Number 0137                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE announced the committee would be addressing                     
CSSB 36(FIN)am, "An Act relating to public schools; relating to the            
definition of a school district, to the transportation of students,            
to employment of chief school administrators, to school district               
layoff plans, to the special education service agency, and to the              
child care grant program; and providing for an effective date."                
He announced that Senators Phillips and Torgerson were present and             
Senator Wilken would participate via teleconference in giving the              
committee an overview of this legislation.                                     
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE IRENE NICHOLIA speaking via teleconference advised              
Chairman Bunde there were hundreds of people at the Tok Legislative            
Information Office in protest of this bill.                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE noted that Representative Jeannette James was in                
attendance.                                                                    
                                                                               
Number 0242                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS, Prime sponsor, verified that committee                 
members had received the sponsor statement, sectional analysis, a              
comparison schedule of funding of the existing system plus $50                 
million as well as SB 36 plus $50 million and a short history of               
the McDowell Report.                                                           
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE drew attention to a stack several inches high of                
public correspondence that accompanied the legislation from the                
Senate.  He advised the correspondence would be available in the               
committee room for members' perusal.                                           
                                                                               
Number 0359                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS said he believes that Alaska's public school                  
foundation formula is broken and is not working for today's                    
conditions.  Therefore, this legislation is an attempt to rewrite              
the school foundation formula.  He noted the Anchorage School                  
District has approximately 40 percent of the enrollment and 30                 
percent of the funding, and many of his constituents have indicated            
there is something wrong with that picture.  He pointed out that               
SB 36 was based on the McDowell Report which shows the actual costs            
of operating a school district and its schools versus a market                 
basket approach.  The funding is allocated based on a per student              
formula rather than the current instructional unit and it is his               
opinion, the public would be better served and would better                    
understand a per student ratio versus the instructional unit.                  
                                                                               
Number 0464                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE inquired how many other states are using the per                
student formula and how many use the instructional unit.                       
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS replied that only 7 states are using the                      
instructional unit formula, which Alaska's current foundation                  
formula is based on, and the other 43 states use the per student               
formula.                                                                       
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE questioned if any of the states have changed from               
the per student count to the per unit formula.                                 
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS wasn't aware of any, but a number of states have              
changed from the per unit to the per student.                                  
                                                                               
Number 0515                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE TOM BRICE asked for a breakdown of the per student              
funding for the other 43 states.                                               
                                                                               
Number 0540                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR GARY WILKEN, co-sponsor of CSSB 36(FIN) am, informed                   
Representative Brice that formula fundings as well as other                    
information from other states was available in his office.                     
                                                                               
Number 0585                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS stated his second point is the size adjustment in             
the formula is based on the individual school instead of the                   
funding communities.  Funding communities under the current formula            
are not well defined and a fair comparison of instructional costs              
can be made at the school level.  The third point is that                      
adjustments for geographical cost differences are based on the                 
McDowell Report of the actual costs of operating school districts              
instead of household cost of living.  He added this is the first               
time it's been done in this manner since statehood.  His fourth                
point is the required local contribution for municipal districts is            
set at 4 mills of assessed value or 100 percent of district state              
support; currently that limit is at 35 percent.  He said, "We                  
believe that by having that, we have taxpayer equity within the tax            
paying jurisdictions for their local contribution towards                      
education."  Fifth, categorical funding is set at 20 percent of                
state support plus funding for intensive needs students.  This will            
remove any incentive in the current formula to identify students as            
special ed in order to qualify for additional funding.                         
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS continued to explain his sixth point is that                  
funding for statewide correspondence study programs offered by a               
district is set at .65 times average daily membership (ADM) the                
same as the state operated program.  At least one school district              
has several times as many students enrolled in their statewide                 
correspondence program than live in the actual district.  This                 
provision is intended to prevent districts from being in the                   
business of providing programs to finance their operations.  His               
seventh point is that CSSB 36(FIN)am provides reimbursement for                
district operated pupil transportation at 90 percent of actual                 
cost.  Currently, the Anchorage School District is the only                    
district not fully funded at 100 percent; it's funded at 66                    
percent.  He said the Senate Finance Committee had brought that up             
to 90 percent.  His last point is that districts are required to               
spend at least 70 percent of student funding on instructional                  
costs.  The Education Week "report card" earlier this year                     
criticized Alaska for spending too much money on school                        
administration and not enough on instruction.  Overall in Alaska,              
approximately 70 percent of public school funding is spent on                  
instruction, with some districts spending about 75 percent on                  
instruction and some spending closer to 39 percent.                            
                                                                               
Number 0800                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE confirmed that some districts were spending only 39             
percent in the classroom and 61 percent was spent on                           
administration.                                                                
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS said that was accurate.  He directed the                      
committee's attention to a list of 18 school districts which breaks            
down the local contribution, cost per student, and the existing                
formula plus $50 million versus SB 36 plus $50 million.  He stated             
this is not a perfect bill, but there are inequities within the tax            
paying jurisdictions, as well as inequities between the tax paying             
jurisdictions and the unorganized areas of the state.  This bill               
attempts to rewrite a broken foundation formula which most everyone            
agrees or has at least expressed concern that the current system is            
broken.                                                                        
                                                                               
Number 0896                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE verified that a copy of the McDowell Report was                 
available in each of the legislative information offices.                      
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS confirmed that and added that each school                     
superintendent statewide had received a copy, also.                            
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE said that Senator Phillips had mentioned that                   
special needs funding was set at 20 percent plus funding for                   
intensive needs students.  For the committee's edification, he                 
explained the 20 percent includes gifted, special ed and bilingual.            
Intensive needs students are seriously disabled students who need              
personal care attendants, et cetera.                                           
                                                                               
Number 0949                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE FRED DYSON referred to the chart of state funding               
per ADM for selected school districts and said he didn't understand            
why there was no funding figures for the North Slope under SB 36.              
                                                                               
Number 0978                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR JOHN TORGERSON, Co-sponsor, said, "The part of the bill                
that Senator Phillips referred to with the local effort, he said               
that in order to receive state funding, you'd have to come up with             
4 mills or 100 percent of your prior basic need of the state                   
funding in order to qualify for that - so it's whatever is less.               
The current formula says 4 mills or 35 percent of your prior basic             
need and that's currently what North Slope pays into.  What that's             
(indisc. - paper shuffling) to the 100 percent in this bill, the               
North Slope, 4 mills would be roughly $50 million and the 100                  
percent is the lesser amount, I believe that's somewhere around $38            
million or something which indicates that we do not put any state              
money in there.  They pay 100 percent of their own education costs             
because of that formula.  So that's why we show zero."                         
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE DYSON questioned if that was true for Tanana,                   
Unalaska and Valdez.                                                           
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON wasn't certain about Tanana.                                 
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE noted the Department of Education would be                      
furnishing the committee with an updated run of numbers next                   
Wednesday.                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN said in response to Representative Dyson's question,            
the easy way to think about it is the North Slope Borough has the              
capacity to fund their education about 30 times what the rest of               
Alaska has due to their wealth per student; about $6 million per               
student versus $225,000 per student for Anchorage and Fairbanks.               
He added, "But at the same time, because of a quirk in the formula             
in 1987, they're only required to do it at 35 percent, so they                 
essentially are doing it at about one-eighth of what you and I are             
funding our education at.  Even when they pay 100 percent of their             
educational requirement, which is an additional $11.6 million,                 
they're still funding at a rate that is about one-third of what the            
rest of organized Alaska is, so there's a lot of (indisc.) about               
lawsuits and things because we treat them differently, and in deed             
we do treat them differently; we ask them to pay less and I don't              
think that's unfair at all."                                                   
                                                                               
Number 1145                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked, "It goes back to the capitation - the              
20 percent above and beyond for special needs - do we know how                 
much, basically on a statewide average maybe, is spent on special              
education, how much is spent on gifted and talent, and then on                 
vocational education?"                                                         
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said the statewide average for all is 19.                    
something percent.                                                             
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN interjected said the average was 19 and that figure             
came from the Department of Education in SB 85, the Governor's                 
education bill last year.                                                      
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS pointed out that each school district has a                   
different standard for the gifted and talented category.  For                  
example, Anchorage is about 4-5 percent whereas Juneau is about 9-10 percent.  
up to the local district so while the categorical funding is set at            
20 percent, the school district decides how to split that up.  He              
pointed out a problem with bilingual in that both the Lower                    
Kuskokwim and Yukon School Districts go above 20 percent on the                
bilingual aspect of the categorical funding.  In his opinion, it's             
an imperfection in the legislation and he will wait and see what               
happens as the bill continues to go through the legislative                    
process.                                                                       
                                                                               
Number 1283                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE JEANNETTE JAMES said it appeared to her the assessed            
valuation of a community is always used as the measure of the                  
wealth of the community.  In the case of the school districts                  
listed that get no money based on 4 percent of their assessed                  
valuation, there's a falsification factor as to the wealth of the              
community because of the activity of the oil industry which is part            
of the calculation.  She asked the sponsors if a comparison had                
been done which separated out the assessed valuation of the oil                
industry located in these areas from the other assessed valuation              
relating to the community; e.g., homes, personal property, et                  
cetera.                                                                        
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN said the North Slope has a $217 million budget for              
9,000 people.  They have a cap on the budget that was put in place             
in the 1980s but it's an artificial cap that recognizes the fact               
there is extreme wealth per capita.  The North Slope Borough is the            
only community that qualifies for a cap, referred to as the "30                
mill cap" because 96 percent of the wealth in the community is                 
generated by oil and gas.  He added, "So, in order to be able to               
put a cap on what they can tax, there's the 20 mill tax cap, which             
we're all familiar with, and they're at about 18.5 mills out of the            
20 that's assessable off the oil and gas properties in the state of            
Alaska."                                                                       
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE noted the presence of Representative Pete Kelly and             
former Representative Bettye Davis.                                            
                                                                               
Number 1430                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS concluded that CSSB 36(FIN)am is a complex bill               
and he, Senator Torgerson and Senator Wilken have shared duties in             
the drafting.  For individuals who don't like the legislation, he              
has asked them to come up with an alternative.  In his opinion,                
putting more money into the current system isn't going to solve the            
problem in the long term.  He is hopeful that CSSB 36(FIN)am will              
pass through the legislative process and once the formula is fixed,            
it's a policy decision of the legislature and the Governor as to               
whether or not more money should be put into the new rewrite of the            
foundation formula.                                                            
                                                                               
Number 1502                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE commented that passing this legislation perhaps will            
not guarantee additional money, but if his correspondence is any               
indication of the attitude of the majority of the people in the                
state, if the current formula is not changed, it guarantees there              
will not be additional money because it simply perpetuates                     
inequity.                                                                      
                                                                               
Number 1516                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN asked if most of the negative responses from              
the public are primarily from districts who would receive less                 
funding under a new formula.                                                   
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS responded affirmatively.                                      
                                                                               
Number 1541                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked Senator Torgerson to address the comparison               
done based on the assumption that $50 million was added to the                 
current foundation formula in terms of the amount of money students            
in the Mat-Su School District or the Anchorage School District, for            
example, would receive versus students in other districts in the               
state.                                                                         
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON explained that Senator Sharp had wanted to take              
a hypothetical $50 million and compare what the distribution would             
be under the current system to the distribution under SB 36.  The              
determination was made on a per student basis and some districts               
went up from $4,000 per student to $4,500 per student.  He said the            
handout prepared by Senator Phillips showed the actual dollar                  
growth or loss in some of the districts.  He said it's a good                  
comparison and shows that the current formula plus $50 million                 
would give his district, the Kenai Peninsula, about $3.6 million               
more in state aid support; the adoption of CSSB 36(FIN)am would                
give the district an additional $4 million; and the adoption of                
CSSB 36(FIN)am plus $50 million would be an additional $7 million.             
He pointed out the Kenai Peninsula might be somewhat different than            
other districts because of the number and size of rural schools in             
the district.  There has been debate for years that the area cost              
differential wasn't anywhere near fair to the Kenai Peninsula                  
because there are schools that children either walk to or get there            
by 4-wheeler and others where either a ferry or airplane are used.             
Those schools have always been on the same area cost differential              
as the rest of the district, which is the same as Anchorage.                   
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON referred to various charts; specifically the                 
chart depicting the growth in categorical funding requirements                 
which shows an overall increase of about 22 percent in new students            
and an increase of approximately 92 percent in the bilingual                   
category.  It has been a growing and out of control determination              
on how the state reimburses and qualifies for the bilingual                    
category.                                                                      
                                                                               
Number 1715                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE commented that CSSB 36(FIN)am has been portrayed as             
urban versus rural.  He asked how many urban schools versus rural              
schools would lose funding.                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said he didn't have the actual numbers, but added            
that 82 percent of the students would benefit from this                        
legislation.                                                                   
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN noted it was about 27 urban and 26 rural, but a                 
problem arises with defining rural and urban.  He's heard comments             
that the Rural Education Attendance Areas (REAAs) obviously come               
out with less money, but the question arises as to what they are               
contributing for education.  He added, "If you take and ask for, as            
we did at one time -- it's not in the bill now -- but you ask for              
a simple payroll tax of 3 percent, those folks that are what I'll              
say losers today, become winners.  And probably the best example of            
that is the new Alaska Gateway that was put together - if they did             
a 3 percent payroll tax, they would go from a $1.3 million loss in             
this effort over the next two or three years to a gain of about                
$90,000.  That gives an indication of what if folks will just help             
themselves a little bit in this effort, it helps the formula                   
tremendously.  So we must remember that there's still areas of the             
state under SB 36 that are contributing zero of their own money                
towards education, and frankly I don't like that but that's where              
we are today."                                                                 
                                                                               
Number 1820                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked Senator Wilken to discuss the results of his              
study of 1996 earned wages in REAAs.  Frequently, comments are made            
that people cannot contribute in REAAs because they simply don't               
have a cash economy.                                                           
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN said based on comments he heard during his travels,             
he requested a report about a year ago from the Department of Labor            
of the earned wages reported on the quarterly employment security              
reports.  The chart lists the REAAs (indisc.) equivalent census                
areas and shows that $460,991,899 by 18,341 people in 1996.  He                
added, "When the Department of Education looked at that, they did              
a little definition differently than I and theirs was a bit more               
conservative - they said about $390 million, and that was when                 
there was a 3 percent payroll tax in the equation."  Overall, it's             
somewhere between $400 million and $500 million earned by about                
18,000 people in the rural areas.  The state support in 1996 to                
these REAAs listed was $135 million with zero personal return,                 
which is about 22 percent of the $630 million budget.  He simply               
asks these areas to find a way to help pay for education, just as              
the organized areas do.                                                        
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said for a matter of clarification, the chart                
shows that $195,748,233 were government wages earned by 7,338                  
individuals, $265,243,666 earned by 11,003 individuals in the                  
private sector, for a total of $460,991,899 wages earned.                      
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN noted that's an average income of about $25,000 or              
$26,000 for these areas and the average income for the state is                
about $27,000.  These figures do not include any income other than             
earned wages.                                                                  
                                                                               
Number 1968                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON referred back to the bill and said that                      
approximately $26 million is shifted by following the                          
recommendations of the McDowell Report.  One of the key components             
determined in that report was that 70 percent of the education                 
budget is spent in the instructional unit - the classroom and pupil            
services - and there is no cost differential eligible for that 70              
percent, which is one of the major reasons for the shift.  He said             
it was important to keep that in mind because some districts had               
been receiving as much as 1.46 for an area cost differential and               
now we're saying that 70 percent of that isn't eligible for a cost             
differential.                                                                  
                                                                               
Number 2014                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN noted Senator Torgerson had earlier remarked              
that some districts were spending only 39 percent in the                       
instructional unit and asked if adjustments were made for those                
districts or do they further get penalized.                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON responded that another portion of the bill                   
mandates that 70 percent of the funds appropriated be spent in the             
instructional unit.  He explained that previously the statute                  
mandated 55 percent be spent in instructional unit, but that was               
amended out of statute in 1982. He continued, "Some of you might               
remember earlier that I had a piece of legislation that required an            
administrative cap and it was basically $950 per student that was              
adjusted by the area cost differential to bring that gap of                    
administrative costs a little closer.  Currently, we have a low of             
$695 - this is both district and school - in Ketchikan to a high of            
$6,501 in the Aleutians, so the administrative cap was just all                
over the board.  But in lieu of that and since we had a report from            
an independent consultant that said 70 percent, we went ahead and              
took all the administrative caps out of there and said we want 70              
percent of this money in the classroom.  Because this is a large               
impact on some of those districts - you mentioned, Representative              
Green, 39 percent - we put a phase in of 60 percent to 65 percent              
to 70 percent so that they can work their way into this and we also            
provided in the bill for a waiver provision that if the district               
says there's just no way we can get to that, it goes to the State              
Board of Education and the commissioner, to grant the waiver so                
there could be an additional review of this."  He noted there will             
be an impact on districts having a lower percentage in the                     
instructional unit if they are unable to substantiate it through               
the waiver process.  He pointed out that staying with the 70                   
percent will reinvest $42 million into the system.                             
                                                                               
Number 2118                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE verified that if the formula in this legislation is             
adopted, there would be an additional $42 million in the classroom.            
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON replied, "If you take the 70 percent."  He added             
that some school districts may be able to prove that fuel expenses             
or travel costs, et cetera, are high and 70 percent may not be                 
appropriate for those districts.                                               
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON noted each school district has been mandated in              
the past to have a school administrator.  The bill changes the                 
language from "shall" to "may" to encourage some of the smaller                
districts to join under one superintendent.                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked the sponsors to give a sectional analysis for             
the committee.                                                                 
                                                                               
Number 2307                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said Section 1 is the purpose section.  Section              
2 enacts new sections providing state funding for public schools.              
Sec. 14.17.300 establishes the public school account and provides              
that money in the account can only be used for public schools,                 
community school programs or centralized correspondence study.                 
Sec. 14.17.400 provides that state funding for school districts is             
the amount calculated under AS 14.17.410.  It provides for a pro               
rata reduction in state funding if the amount appropriated is                  
insufficient to meet the authorized amounts.  He said, "In the                 
Governor's FY 99 ...                                                           
                                                                               
TAPE 98-30, SIDE B                                                             
Number 0001                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON ....budget of $660 million and change to come up             
with a student dollar and backed that number into the student                  
dollar -- the department did -- and what this section is, if the               
legislature was to come in with a lesser number than that, then all            
the numbers would be prorated accordingly."                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON continued that Sec. 14.17.410 establishes a                  
formula for funding public schools.  Under subsection (b) public               
school funding consists of a state share and a local contribution              
from city or borough school districts.  Subsection (b)(1) is the               
state share and subsection (b)(2) is the city or borough local                 
contribution.  Subsection (c) establishes an optional local                    
contribution for city or borough school districts.  Subsection (d)             
prohibits state funding for a city or borough school district that             
does not make the local contribution required under subsection                 
(b)(2).  Sec. 14.17.420 provides state funding for special needs               
children and for intensive services.  He explained the number of               
students is multiplied by a special needs factor of 1.20 for the               
bilingual education, special education, gifted and talented                    
education and vocational education.  Sec. 14.17.430 provides state             
funding for the state centralized correspondence study program, for            
district statewide correspondence programs and for district-only               
correspondence study programs.                                                 
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked if the bilingual program grew more rapidly                
than the general student population.                                           
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON responded that overall there was about a 22                  
percent increase in student growth and a 92 percent increase in the            
bilingual program.                                                             
                                                                               
Number 0123                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE noted that encouraging students into the bilingual              
program is a mechanism which increases funding.                                
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON responded that either the statutes or regulations            
allow school districts to set up their own rules on who qualifies              
for categorical funding and the state provides funding based on the            
determination and the count.  Theoretically, audits are done on the            
districts to verify the counts, but very few audits have been done.            
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE reflected that one summer he and his family went                
commercial fishing on a beach site and for the next four or five               
years, the Anchorage School District encouraged them to place the              
kids into a migrant worker program because the district got more               
money for that program.                                                        
                                                                               
Number 0158                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN referred to the chart entitled "Bilingual/bicultural            
instructional units 1988 to 1998" for five actual school districts             
from the same area of the state and said from 1998 to 1994                     
instructional units went from about 53 units down to about 48;                 
however, in 1995 one school district increased from 48 units up to             
about 82 units and a year later up to 94 units.  Each unit is                  
funded at about $61,500, resulting in an additional $2.5 million               
for that school district.  He pointed out the other four districts             
in the same area of the state remained relatively flat from 1988 to            
1998.  As Senator Torgerson mentioned earlier, while a district                
defines and the state funds, the district has no obligation to                 
spend that money for the purpose from which it was derived as a                
revenue.                                                                       
                                                                               
Number 0222                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked Senator Wilken if his research into the             
categorical funding had included any of the more populated areas of            
the state to determine if there had been an increase for any                   
language other than the Alaska Native language.                                
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN responded it was not broken down by district or                 
language.  He directed her attention to the graph, "Growth in                  
Categorical Funding Requirements" and reiterated the overall                   
increase in students was about 23 percent for the period 1988 to               
1997, while the bilingual/bicultural grew at a rate of about 90                
percent.  He said this is an interesting graph and shows one of the            
reasons why the current formula is broken; the district defines and            
counts and the state just funds it.                                            
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said it appeared to her the flaw would have               
been in the identifying of students being served as opposed to                 
students who had a need.                                                       
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN responded, "No, but I think you've hit the problem              
right on the head.  And that is the state doesn't need to be nor               
should it be unless we want to fund some sort of an audit and for              
that matter, categorical funding police, we shouldn't be in this               
business.  This is a foundation formula; this is to give everybody             
an equal amount upon which they can build a special ed program.                
That, I think, was the intent a year ago at 20 percent, based on               
the 19 percent so that if one district has a different requirement             
than the other, then they simply fund that out of their own school             
district.  It's a local choice issue and you can use your 20                   
percent - which in this particular formula is almost $197 million              
is set aside and earmarked for special ed - and it's up to the                 
school districts, as it should be locally, to decide how they want             
to spend it ...."                                                              
                                                                               
Number 0412                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked if the state were to capitate                       
categorical funding, would we be running askance of federal                    
requirements?                                                                  
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE WILKEN wasn't aware of any federal requirements for             
categorical funding.  He noted there were some hard lines on the               
$22,500 for the developmentally disabled but that's not part of                
this program.                                                                  
                                                                               
Number 0459                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS pointed out there are three different categories              
under the bilingual program and the funding varies with each of the            
three different categories.                                                    
                                                                               
Number 0491                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN observed there are several bills in process               
dealing with part-time students and wondered how part-time students            
were dealt with in this legislation.                                           
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON indicated there were provisions in CSSB 36(FIN)am            
dealing with how part-time students are counted, but he didn't                 
recall exactly what they were offhand.                                         
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES observed that fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS) and            
fetal alcohol effect (FAE) were more prevalent in some districts               
and asked if that had been taken into consideration in terms of the            
special education category.                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN responded no, but the severely disabled wouldn't                
fall under this category; they would fall under the developmentally            
disabled category.                                                             
                                                                               
Number 0603                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON, continuing with the sectional analysis, said                
that Sec. 14.17.430 provides state funding for the state                       
centralized correspondence program and also district program.  He              
noted this had been somewhat controversial as it relates to Galena,            
as well as a couple of other districts, where the state was paying             
the statewide correspondence programs at the same area cost                    
differential that they qualified for their district.  Galena                   
started a program which grew at such a rapid pace, the commissioner            
of the Department of Education limited their cost differential to              
1.0.  This legislation further limits the cost differential to .65             
which is the rate paid to the Alyeska Correspondence School.  He               
said, "In the debate that surrounded this, the Galena School                   
District was attempting to get additional money because they used              
some of this money to free up some other money that pays for their             
charter boarding school.  I never saw any debate from them that                
indicated that they could not operate the statewide correspondence             
school for this, but they did use the additional money to do a                 
boarding school.  We did try to work on several fixes for that and             
we couldn't come up with any that were satisfactory, anyway at that            
time.  I think it was our intent to promote, as much as we can,                
leaving the boarding schools and not try to take away funding for              
those but it's one of the areas that needs some work on in this                
bill."                                                                         
                                                                               
Number 0669                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON stated Sec. 14.17.440 provides state funding for             
state boarding schools, which is basically Mt. Edgecumbe.  Sec.                
14.17.450 establishes the school size factor for purposes of                   
determining a school's public school funding.                                  
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE said at one time there was specific legislation                 
which specified that Mt. Edgecumbe could be the only state funded              
boarding school and he wondered if that changed in CSSB 36(FIN)am.             
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON noted that legislation had passed approximately              
a year ago changing boarding school to boarding schools.  He                   
pointed out that Galena is a charter boarding school and based on              
legislation that passed last year, charter boarding schools cannot             
use state funds to house and pay for housing of students.  Clearly,            
that's what Galena is doing, but they're freeing up other money;               
it's not illegal, but the intent is so they can operate the regular            
charter school.                                                                
                                                                               
Number 0747                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said that Sec. 14.17.450 establishes the school              
size factor for purposes of determining a school's public school               
funding and is the heart of the McDowell Report. He stated,                    
"Basically, you would take your school ADM and use this chart like             
you would a tax table, to borrow McDowell's words, and you would               
find where your number of students are in relation to your school              
and then you would go across the chart and you'd see -- if you take            
75, for example on line 14 -- if you have a school of 75 students,             
you'd be paid for 122.85 students and anything above the 75 up to              
the 150, you would receive 1.27.  Mr. Chairman, what this whole                
chart does is it shows that there's a certain amount of                        
administration and a certain amount of cost associated with                    
operating a small school and remember the McDowell Report says the             
costs are the same no matter where you're located for doing that.              
So if you had a school in Anchorage or a school in Nome that was               
this size, it would cost you about the same percent.  And then back            
to the instructional - 70 percent of that did not deserve an area              
cost differential.  This also shows, Mr. Chairman, that if you get             
up to the 400, that's where you reach your efficiencies, so a                  
school the size of 400, you'd see that the multiplier drops down to            
.97 so the students don't actually earn the total amount on a per              
student basis.  This is really the heart of how we, by adopting                
this out of the McDowell Report, on how we identify the costs per              
school."                                                                       
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON explained that Sec. 14.17.460 is also out of the             
McDowell Report and relates to the remaining 30 percent paid to the            
districts.  The district cost factors are a combination of the                 
nonpersonnel costs as well as the district administrative costs.               
The McDowell Report did not make any determination as to whether               
this money was being spent in an effective, efficient manner as far            
as nonpersonnel, superintendent costs or central office costs.                 
This reflects actual dollars spent off the financial statements of             
the districts.                                                                 
                                                                               
Number 0866                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said that Sec. 14.17.470 establishes the base                
student allocation for purposes of determining a district's public             
school funding.  Sec. 14.17.500 requires certain student count data            
be reported to the department.  Sec. 14.17.505 establishes                     
requirements concerning year-end fund balances for a school                    
district and establishes a penalty for violating this section.                 
Sec. 14.17.510 requires the Department of Community and Regional               
Affairs to determine the value of taxable real and personal                    
property for purposes of calculating a city or borough school                  
district's local contribution.  Sec. 14.17.520 imposes a minimum               
expenditure for instruction requirement on school districts.  Sec.             
14.17.600 establishes student count reporting deadlines for school             
districts.  Sec. 14.17.610 establishes a payment schedule for state            
funding for school districts, requires excess funding be returned              
to the state and provides for advance payments at the discretion of            
the commissioner.  Sec. 14.17.900 provides that AS 14.17 does not              
create a debt of the state and requires each district to operate               
under a balanced budget.  Sec. 14.17.920 requires the department to            
adopt regulations to implement this legislation and Sec. 14.17.990             
is the definitions section.                                                    
                                                                               
Number 0955                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON continued that Section 3 repeals a provision                 
requiring a report be provided to the chief school administrator.              
Sections 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 are technical amendments.  Section 9                 
provides that REAAs may employ a chief school administrator.                   
Section 10 repeals the requirement that an REAA school board employ            
a chief school administrator.  Section 11 requires that school                 
districts be reimbursed for student transportation system costs at             
certain percentages.  Sections 12 and 13 are technical amendments.             
Section 14 provides that a city or borough school district may                 
employ a chief school administrator.  Section 15 requires the chief            
school administrator to follow school board policy.  Section 16                
requires that employees hired by a chief school administrator are              
subject to school board approval.  Section 17 repeals a requirement            
that state boarding schools hire a chief school administrator.                 
Sections 18 and 19 are technical amendments and Section 20 repeals             
a requirement that limited teacher certificates be requested                   
through the chief school administrator.  Section 21 amends the                 
provision relating to chief school administrator approval of                   
transfers of teachers.  Section 22 amends a provision relating to              
intradistrict teacher reassignments.  Section 23 allows a district             
to implement a tenured teacher layoff plan if state funding                    
decreases by 3 percent or more between fiscal years.  Section 24 is            
a technical amendment.  Section 25 provides that an exceptional                
child shall be transported with other children if the district                 
provides transportation to other children in the district.  Section            
26 provides that if certain special education appropriations are               
insufficient, the allocation described in this section shall be                
reduced on a pro rata basis.  Sections 27 through 31 are technical             
amendments and Section 32 provides that child care facility grants             
shall be adjusted by the same factor as school district funding                
under AS 14.17.460.  Section 33 is repealers, Section 34                       
establishes a two year transition period for public school funding             
and Section 35 provides that regulations adopted before the                    
effective date of this Act remain in effect if consistent with the             
provisions of this Act and requires the department to define by                
regulation the term "school".  Section 36 requires the initial                 
proposed district cost factors be submitted to the department by               
January 15, 2001.  Section 37 imposes a two year transition period             
for the base student allocation.  Section 38 requires that certain             
small schools be included in the largest school in the district for            
purposes of calculating the school size factor under AS 14.17.450,             
which is basically for schools of 10 students or less.  Section 39             
establishes a two year transition period for the minimum                       
expenditure for instruction requirement imposed under AS 14.17.520             
and Section 40 is the effective date.                                          
                                                                               
Number 1169                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said that concludes the sectional analysis.  He              
said the Senate struggled with the provision that all Alaskans pay             
something for the cost of education.  Senate Bill 36, at one time              
was the combination of four other bills which had different                    
mechanisms for requiring the local effort.  He stated, "We did have            
the 3 percent payroll tax idea that Senator Wilken spoke about                 
earlier to make that local requirement.  We had in the bill that               
anybody that wanted to opt out of that certainly could and become              
a borough or become whatever they wanted to be, could have their               
own tax base or their own method of raising that tax, they                     
certainly could do that, or they could bring a proposal to us                  
through the petition process and we would do that as an assembly               
for the unorganized borough.  Basically, the Senate decided not to             
go forward with that issue and they decided that we'd rather do a              
mandatory third class borough.  So, we currently have the mandatory            
third class borough issue up before us in Senate Finance.  We had              
hearings on it last week and I'm not sure when it's rescheduled                
again for the next hearing."                                                   
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON further stated, "Basically, a third class                    
borough, just to refresh your memory, has only two powers; the                 
power of taxation and the power of education.  We currently have               
only one third class borough and that's Haines.  When that was                 
created, there was some talk about some other boroughs dropping                
down to that level, my understanding is, and so the legislature put            
a prohibition on any more third class boroughs so they would only              
have the Haines borough.  But this recognizes that we're not really            
trying to force local government on unorganized Alaska but for one,            
we should consolidate school districts, this would -- if we                    
mandated the third class boroughs, we would have one school                    
district or one REAA per borough boundary.  This is currently the              
case in the other organized boroughs and it would also give them               
the power to come up with whatever taxation measure that they'd                
like to do to make their local effort."                                        
                                                                               
Number 1291                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON reminded committee members there are four                    
boroughs in the state that currently do not have a property tax and            
use some other form.  The Northwest Arctic Borough has a severance             
tax or resource tax on Cominco; the Denali Borough has a                       
combination of a severance tax on Healy coal and a bed tax; one has            
a fish tax complemented with a sales tax issue.  There are ways                
other than a payroll tax to come up with the required local effort,            
and it allows an existing organized entity to determine how to pay             
their taxes.  He wasn't sure where that legislation would go, but              
it is a big issue.                                                             
                                                                               
Number 1365                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE recalled that last year the Governor introduced                 
legislation to rewrite the foundation formula and set a minimum of             
10 students for a school.  He asked what the minimum was under CSSB
36(FIN)am.                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON referred to Section 38 and said that a school of             
10 would be added to another school and combined; it doesn't run               
through the formula as a separate school.                                      
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE confirmed that nothing in CSSB 36(FIN)am would                  
require a school of three or four students to close.                           
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said not that he was aware of.                               
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE observed there was some migration among schools                 
between spring and fall and that CSSB 36(FIN)am did not mandate a              
spring count.  He wondered if that had been discussed.                         
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said it had not been discussed in his presence.              
He assumed the fall count was included in all the legislative bills            
and it wasn't brought out as a separate issue to be debated.  As               
far as he knew, it was in existing language.                                   
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked how much money would have been generated for              
local contribution ....                                                        
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON interjected 3 percent; it was roughly                        
$18,300,000.                                                                   
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN commented that it's about $3.5 million to $4 million            
for every 1 percent.                                                           
                                                                               
Number 1488                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked the sponsors to address two concerns he's                 
heard from people:  1) expanding the hold harmless; and 2)                     
addressing the notion that the state is mandated constitutionally              
to provide an education and should be funding it at 100 percent.               
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS noted that under the constitution, the state is               
required to provide a system for public education for children.  He            
asked Senator Torgerson to address the second issue.                           
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said, "People have brought that up and wouldn't              
it be a great world if we could surpass the $240 million that local            
governments are putting in education now.  But we're only doing                
two-thirds of the thing.  Local governments that are now paying,               
pay in a tremendous amount.  I don't know -- I think even under the            
mandatory borough act, that was one of the reasons back in '63 when            
they formed all the boroughs that we're in currently.  Those powers            
were pretty general in nature but the largest ones that we're                  
trying for is the local contribution, the taxation and education               
issues.  As far as a longer transition period, Mr. Chairman, we                
picked two years, it could have been three that we picked.  The                
Lower Kuskokwim district does lose a substantial amount of money               
under this; they go down from $10,618 a student they're currently              
being paid today to $8,615.  So, they lose about $2,000 a student.             
Our transition period says you do one year half of that and the                
other year the next.  Just to say we're going to hold harmless                 
forever doesn't fix the problems that we have in the formula.  So,             
in our debate when we were pushing this bill through the Senate, it            
was just decided that we'd do the two year period.  And it is a                
policy call and it is a tough issue for that district and some of              
the others and it could be that we might entertain a longer                    
transition period.  I think the overall goal here is we're going to            
change the system to get this more equitable and it's tied in with             
no only holding the district harmless for a few years, but a                   
district that might pay some for their educational costs.  Keep in             
mind the Lower Kuskokwim has a town of 6,000 and they don't pay a              
dime towards education."                                                       
                                                                               
Number 1658                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked if Senator Torgerson was implying the $2,000              
student decrease in the Lower Kuskokwim could be made up in part by            
some local contribution.                                                       
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON commented if they were to do a 2 percent sales               
tax, a tremendous part of the $11 million would be covered.                    
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN interjected the city of Bethel did a study which                
indicated that a 2 percent sales tax would cover their entire                  
educational requirement.  He added based on his numbers, a 3                   
percent payroll tax would generate about $3.2 million that could be            
contributed to education.  He said the chart previously discussed              
indicates that area of the state had about 4,900 people who earned             
about $120 million in 1996, so obviously there's some wealth.                  
                                                                               
Number 1727                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON explained the reason for deciding on the payroll             
tax idea was the collection; the fiscal note from the Department of            
Labor was about $200,000 which is relatively small compared to some            
of the other ideas looked at.  Currently, all employers are                    
required to file a report of employment security contributions with            
the department and it was the intent to generate a new form that               
would identify the school contribution.                                        
                                                                               
Number 1787                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE said people have suggested an increase and a                    
reinstatement of the old school tax.  He inquired if that idea had             
been discussed.                                                                
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said it was to some degree; however, a $10 tax               
for 300,000 working people would generate $3 million or a $100 tax             
would generate $30 million, which really doesn't go very far in                
meeting the problem of funding education.  It's certainly something            
that could be looked at but in the scope of things, it just doesn't            
generate enough money to solve the problem.                                    
                                                                               
Number 1856                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE commented that numbers differ depending on the                  
issue; for example, when the subsistence issue is being discussed,             
he hears that 60 percent of rural Alaska is non-Native, but with               
the educational funding issue, he hears that 70-80 percent of rural            
Alaska is Native.  He asked if Senator Torgerson knew which factor             
is correct.                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said it really hasn't been looked at because it              
is really a non-issue.                                                         
                                                                               
Number 1923                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE asked the sponsors to explain the property                
valuation in general.                                                          
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said as the local assessed value rises, state aid            
goes down.  He explained that his borough can't put any more money             
in because it is up against the caps.  He said, "What has happened             
with this bill as not a direct measure but we picked it up in the              
runs that we got from DOE, is that we actually are -- because we're            
increasing the state aid to some districts because of the                      
redistribution of funding and because of asking North Slope to pay             
100 percent, -- we're actually shifting some money back in there               
and increasing the amount of state aid both to Fairbanks and my                
district which then makes the amount of money you can put in for               
local effort higher - or more is available.  It really wasn't an               
intent, but that's how it came out.  The cap that is placed upon us            
statutorily is the 4 mills for the state aid or the 35 percent and             
then it's 2 mills or 23 percent of state aid, whichever is greater             
and that's where the cap comes from."  He is of the opinion that               
assessed valuation is used as the trigger to indicate the worth of             
an area.                                                                       
                                                                               
Number 2123                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said she understands this legislation deals               
with funding, not the best way to deliver education.  It is her                
opinion that ten students is too few for a school, which she                   
recognized had been addressed by joining them with another school.             
However, she wondered if the sponsors had looked at other issues,              
in addition to the number of children in a school, that would                  
relate to the performance of the schools in terms of addressing the            
best way to deliver education.                                                 
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said, "The best thing I can say or the closest               
thing we have done to that, when we adopted the McDowell Report and            
their tax table way of reimbursing districts for their school by               
school, it's recognizing that the smaller schools need maybe a                 
principal and a counselor and you may have 15 or 20 students or 50             
students in there or a school of 100, you might have the same                  
amount of students in there.  So, that's why when they put that per            
student adjustment to the ADM in their calculations, it reimburses             
the smaller schools substantially more than a larger school.  They             
made that formula and that curve based upon the audited financial              
statements or the costs that are coming in now."                               
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said she understands that, but it doesn't get             
to the problem of having smaller schools where the performance is              
poor.  Her concern is that giving a school extra money will                    
encourage them to stay small as opposed to figuring out a better               
way to educate their children.                                                 
                                                                               
TAPE 98-31, SIDE A                                                             
Number 0001                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said there are a couple of bills which include               
those standards, and in fact, amendments to this legislation had               
been drafted but many of the school districts indicated they did               
not want any more unfunded mandates. It doesn't mean professional              
standards aren't important in this legislation, but the sponsors               
hadn't included them.                                                          
                                                                               
Number 0038                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES commented that it would probably require                  
different legislation; it wouldn't be appropriate for CSSB
36(FIN)am.                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON thought the title was broad enough to incorporate            
the standards if an agreement could be reached as to what                      
performance standards should be included.  He noted the                        
Administration wants more accountability and this legislation                  
doesn't bring accountability into it.  He added that school                    
districts view accountability as unfunded mandates.                            
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE noted he frequently hears the comment about a number            
of programs, including education, that "you don't pour good money              
after bad" and it's not very logical to reward a school for poor               
performance by giving them more money.                                         
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER recognized this legislation has caps in terms            
of the 4 mills, up to 100 percent or whatever is less, but he                  
questioned if there was still concern with the federal disparity               
issue.                                                                         
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON responded there is always concern with the                   
federal disparity.  The Department of Education did a computer run             
in relation to the federal disparity and it dropped down to about              
19 percent as opposed to the current 23 percent.  If a local effort            
was required, it would probably go back up to the 22 or 23 percent             
level.                                                                         
                                                                               
Number 0278                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked Senator Wilken to comment on the other                    
iteration of how the PL-874 money was to be used.                              
                                                                               
SENATOR WILKEN said, "It's really difficult but we kept in -- we               
tried to take it out originally, but the numbers just didn't work,             
so we recognized it and stayed within the disparity.  The real                 
issue is that there were five districts in the state that were up              
against the cap - it's really an artificial number that was really             
hurting five districts - and with the increase in funding to the               
formula itself, those caps are increased so the disparity issue                
falls away as long as we (indisc.) it.  And as Senator Torgerson               
said, according to DOE we are within it and I take confidence in               
their numbers.  The folks over there really know that issue inside             
and out and it's difficult at best, but it seems like we're safe in            
what we've got so far."                                                        
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE said as he understood disparity and the PL-874                  
money, disparity is continuing to decrease and it will be more and             
more difficult to fall under the cap in the future.                            
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE commented, "I think when we're talking about              
accountability, because it is a discussion that I've had and                   
actually had a piece of legislation drawn up that would basically              
break down some of the barriers that DOE had to address the Adak               
issue - I mean, let's call it what it was - and frankly, I think               
much to her credit, Commissioner Holloway has finally pretty well              
gotten that thing put to rest.  It would be nothing to throw a                 
couple of lines in here that wouldn't cost a penny to break down               
some of those issues and I'll approach you guys about that a little            
bit later."  He asked if a school district with multiple sites                 
would receive a check for each site or a lump sum for all the                  
schools in that district, with the district allocating the money               
for each school.                                                               
                                                                               
SENATOR TORGERSON said it is not the intent to change the current              
distribution.  He added, "It's just that each school now, because              
of the McDowell Report - we wanted to know the cost of operating a             
school, not the cost of the entire district, so you go to each                 
school for the ADM and then you run it through that table - but you            
qualify it in one way and then when it comes to the district to                
maintain -- as a matter of fact, we even have that in the intent               
language -- to maintain the maximum local economy, we want them to             
be able to distribute those funds."                                            
                                                                               
Number 0539                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR PHILLIPS commented the intent is that the money goes to the            
school district and it's up to the constituency, school board and              
the assembly in the organized areas to determine how those funds               
are allocated.  In the unorganized areas, it's up to the                       
constituency and school board to allocate the funds.                           
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE BRICE inquired if charter schools would be counted              
as a regular school within the district and they would receive the             
same level of funding as a regular school.                                     
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE TORGERSON remarked a charter school would be counted            
as a regular school.                                                           
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN BUNDE asked if there were further questions for the                   
sponsors.  He announced that CSSB 36(FIN)am would be held in                   
committee and heard again on Wednesday, March 25.                              

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